9.22.2014

SLAMMING IN KIDS DIVISION BJJ

I saw this post yesterday via Facebook and watching it again this morning, I thought I'd share it here on BJJ-ASIA. As a father of two boys I'm excited to share with them my passion for BJJ when they're of the right age and temperament. And seeing a video like this reminds me of the precautions we all must take to be aware of the rules, respect/obey them and train for them as well. Especially in the context of a tournament with clearly defined rules about slamming and high-risk submissions. We all enter tournaments understanding there is a risk of injury but we also place a great deal of trust that all competitors, referees and events promoters are abiding by a unified set of rules.

In the video it appears to me the slam is deliberate and despite my discomfort to say, 'well executed'. While I cannot speak for the child who performed the slam, whether he's remorseful for what happened, I do question the circumstances of tournament and coaching. Again, there is no conclusion that I can say on my end, it only raises questions that I need to answer for myself on how I introduce BJJ to my kids and the values I want to instill in them.


13 comments:

Anonymous said...

I know the kid that did the throw. He's a very nice kid and trains in Judo. He might have instinctively just responded with a throw from that position. I can tell you that he didn't do this with malicious intent. Kids make mistakes all the time.

Anonymous said...

There is no throw from this position. He has full guard on a standing opponent. This is a slam. He is way late of he wants to use the "throw" excuse. Can't see this being a mistake at all. It's obvious that the "win at any cost" mentality is rubbing of on the next generation. But it's not his fault. It's his instructors.

Anonymous said...

In Judo there is no guard jumping.
Training is to throw someone on his back.
If he jumps guard he gets thrown or a penalty for going to the floor without technique (a throw or skillfull way)
Imagine jumping guard in wrestling...

You see the thrower setting up the slam like a hip throw.
It might be illegal in BJJ but I strongly doubt the thrower was aware off this.

Either way I think jumping guard is a weird thing since you use a rule to protect yourself against a slam.
Just set it up with a sacrifice throw or sit on your ass.

Also I highly doubt if it is smart for growing children with limited control of themselves to let them apply chokes and armbars in a competitive situation.

In my opinion it is better to learn these dangerous and potential damaging moves at a later age.

Anonymous said...

I think it was very unfortunate that he got hurt but that was not a slam but a throw. It looked like variation of a switching hip throw (utsuri goshi).

1/ Never jump guard on a judoka.

2/Learning to breakfall should be 101 stuff in any jui jitsu system.

3/ It is far better to learn to throw and fall at an early age than later on.

Anonymous said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBTuQZmaaOc

Are you referring to this?

Anonymous said...

Yes it is. I know at first glance it does not appear to be the same but if you watch he switches his hips as the other boy jumps guard.

Many judo throws are taught in an orthodox manner and then the principle is used in unorthodox scenarios.

Anonymous said...

So you're point is in this situation, a judoka competing in a bjj tournament, has inadvertently hurt their opponent with an otherwise legal move.

I guess my question is, once the guard has been established (closed), isn't the person in the guard responsible to use control?

I understand if balance was lost or there was an accidental clashing upon impact but in the video, there is a clear establishment of movement/force being used.

I really doubt this was done maliciously but the guy posting the video has a point.

Anonymous said...

I pull guard on judokas all the time. It doesn't make it ok for them to slam me. So why shouldn't I pull guard? Because they will slam me? Try yo break that fall with your head. I don't think it will work. He switches his hips yes, but the guard is locked up so this can't really be considered a throw at all. It's a slam.

Anonymous said...

I think my point is it is not a slam but a throw with technique and timing.

It appears like a slam because the other child has no break fall skills. Breaking falling is as basic as shrimping.

But back to another point. No one likes to see anyone hurt. So unfortunate, not malicious.

Anonymous said...

I agree it doesn't appear to be maliciously executed but given that the closeguard was established, it requires a different technique to avoid injury is what I believe most of us are saying.

Alex Avedikian said...

I'm a 3rd Degree Black Belt in Judo. First, I sympathize with the parents, and I'm sure it was a very unpleasant experience for them, I'm also very glad there child is uninjured. With that said, although this "appears" aggressive and has certainly charged peoples emotions…THIS IS NOT A SLAM, nor should the other child have been DQ'd. It's a Judo throw called Utsuri Goshi (Changing Hip), and it is not illegal in BJJ. Feel free to search for it on youtube. The throw was executed properly and was performed in a continuous motion as it should be. If this happened in a Judo tournament, no one would have given it a second thought (although no Judoka is going to pull guard for exactly this reason). Jiu Jitsu players who don't have exposure to standing techniques and aren't trained in falling properly will have to deal with this if they play a trained Judoka. Throws are not illegal in BJJ and if you play someone who knows how to throw and your unprepared…your liable to get hurt.

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